#couchsesh: Dave Mackey and Avery Collins talk PEDs (together in real life)

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If you’re a fan of ultrarunning and use the Internet, you’re probably aware of the latest social media dust up over performance enhancing drugs, in this case cannabis. Dave and Avery got together with us in person to continue the conversation.

From Dispatch’s perspective, the responses and judgements being thrown at both Avery and Dave over social media in the past couple days have created separation in our ultra running community. Our hope is that in sitting down to talk together we can help reconnect in our differences and see that both of these guys ultimately come from a loving place for the sport who share many of the same passions.

Jeremy Hendricks also stopped by to sketch up some artistic interpretations of the conversation.

And of course a shoutout to Upslope Brewing!

We happened to recently do a #KitchenSesh show with Avery just before this, so check out more of Avery’s backstory here: http://www.dispatchradio.com/kitchensesh-avery-collins-devon-olson/




3 thoughts on “#couchsesh: Dave Mackey and Avery Collins talk PEDs (together in real life)

  • April 8, 2017 at 7:47 pm

    Love that you guys did this.

    We need to kill the idea that only USADA can do testing. There are many companies who can administer tests for common PEDs for much cheaper. They have controls, B samples, and the common protections one would expect. True, they may not test for hundreds of banned substances, but they can test for the common ones at prices races can afford.

    • April 9, 2017 at 11:27 pm

      Thanks for your thoughts, Charles!

  • April 11, 2017 at 11:42 am

    Great job and kudos to both Dave and Avery for being willing to hash this out like adults. THIS is what is missing more often. Real face to face exchange of thoughts and ideas. It doesn’t always have to end with having the same opinion, but it usually results in mutual respect and more productive dialogue. The online comments and replies only embolden the keyboard warriors to say things that they would not normally say in person.

    I understand this was a “couch sesh”, but at the 35:00 mark, that part of the discussion could benefit from a better understanding of WHY the WADA classifies such things as PEDs. It almost sounded as if Avery could make the argument that “naturally occurring” vs artificially synthesized substances could be the differentiator. Of course this debate then leads to the various strains of weed and the effects it has on different folks.

    Someone else mentioned in the facebook debate that Optygen is beneficial as well as other permissible substances so a deeper understanding of WHAT is a PED and WHY it is considered so is probably in order.


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